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Same Sex Marriage February 9. 2005


Indiana is trying to do it again. It's trying to legislate hate and make it official as far as the state constitution is concerned. It is really beyond me to understand the reasoning people have for trying to ban same sex marriage. Sure there are quotes from people speaking in the legislature that shed some light but I cannot believe people would be so dumb as to believe such nonsense. For example, here is a quote from someone who is in support of the resolution being before the state senate. "The only way to reproduce is with a man and a woman. Who will take the [lawmaker's] seats here if we are not able to reproduce?" As if allowing same sex marriage would bring an end to heterosexual intercourse and to humanity itself! Maybe that is the root fear that would drive people to marginalize and oppress another group of people; they fear their own death and that thing feared may have little or nothing at all to do with actually causing it. Do we want people who are ruled by fear and scarcity to govern our lives and make laws that rule in our lives? I most certainly do not want to state telling me what I can do if what I do does not harm others! There are more and more laws being produced by these fearful rulers that are being put in place to take away our liberties and I think something needs to be done to stem this tide. But back to the issue at hand: homosexual marriage. Many people base their fear on the bigoted misinterpretations of the bible. These misinterpretations lead people away from the peace and abundance of God's grace and into the fear and scarcity with which they currently live. They do everything that is humanly possibleto protect themselves even killing others to protect themselves from a group that is not attacking them. They will marginalize people and oppress people in a human attempt to protect themselves. At least this is what I have observed from people who would bring to the state these types of measures in the name of "protecting" society. This is not to say everyone who sees homosexuality as a sin is in this state of fear and scarcity. There are many open people who can in a way that does not marginalize disagree on this issue. But this is not the stance of the growing constituency in many states. They are taking their belief in homosexuality and using it to commit another sin, which is oppression and marginalization. Two wrongs will not make society "right."

If we truly seek to "protect" society we must protect it from our own fear and belief that we live in scarcity. All we need do is go to the biblical witness to see what happens to society that are ruled by fear and create, ignore and punish the oppressed and the marginalized. These society have no place in the kingdom of God and rightly so these societies burned from within on their own vain glory. Look at the city of Sodom, God God's self destroyed the city because it would not minister and protect the marginalized. The prophets all speak to the destruction of society because of its lack of justice and righteousness when it came to matters of those whom the society outcast. In Ezekiel (16:48-49) we read of this sin of not supporting the poor and the oppressed pointing directly back to Sodom. In Deuteronomy 32 we read again of what sin the reader's society was committing and again it points back to Sodom and the sin of marginalization in society. There are many other references to this type of sinfulness and (self)destruction of societies that fall into this trap of fear, scarcity and marginalizing. (Wisdom 19:13; Isaiah 1:10-17, 3:9; Jeremiah 23:14; Zephaniah 2:8-11.)

The other side of this coin is the abundance of God's grace and peace in the world. Christ came as a witness to this message of not marginalizing. Moreover, Christ came to call out the rulers of the day and show them the abundance of God and that they no longer need to fear. Christ came and showed peace to all peoples and showed righteousness to all peoples and showed justice to all peoples and called all of us to do the same. The rulers killed him for challenging their fear and rule over the fear of the people. Christ revealed this abundance and thus made God available to all peoples and God did not need to be mediated through the ruling church, the authoritarian church, the legalistic church, the exclusive church, hierarchical church!

So I am calling all people to repent of their fear just ask Christ has and is calling you to live in the abundance of God's grace. Proclaim the Gospel message of love, abundance, righteousness and justice! Call your local representative and stop the Indiana legislature from hurtling this society even further into sin, fear and scarcity!
David  Wednesday, February 9. 2005 @ 14:39
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"Many people base their fear on the bigoted misinterpretations of the bible."

When you were studying the Hebrew language, did you look at Paul's letter to the Romans? In particular, the first chapter. I'm curious to know if that has been reinterpreted as a "hospitality" issue as well, or as something else. 1 Cor 6, too.
#1 Justin (Homepage) on 2005-02-12 22:47 (Reply)
It was greek and there are revials of interpretation that bring the text of Romans which in turn helps interpret Corinthians back to its original interpretations. Romans 2:1 is the reason Paul writes Romans 1. It is a "therefore" statement like a "if p and q therefore"

Sometimes the chapter and versing system in the bible does not do the text justice. Many church scholars from the early church up until John Chrysostom do not interpret Romans 1 as anything more than what you could in fact call hospitality (the Jewish Christians and the Gentile Christians getting along and not claiming superiority over each other).

There are also arguments by many scholars about the meaning of the greek words used by Paul in these passages but that is for another day. In essance Pauls is not talking about modern same-sex issues but rather antient modes of interacting in the plurality of Roman pagan society.

Here is a Catholic interpretation of Romans 1
http://www.courage.org.uk/articles/Romans1.shtml

(it's late and I just got back from Utah... I hope I'm making sense)
#1.1 David (Homepage) on 2005-02-14 02:00 (Reply)
I'm halfway through that page, hopefully I'll get to finish it tonight or later today. Initially: He begins by saying that Augustine found no condemnation of homosexuality other than female to male anal intercourse. "This means that no Catholic is under any obligation to read this passage as having something to do with lesbianism."

So I've put it on my to-do list to figure out where exactly Augustine makes the statement he's referring to. I'm still a bit sketchy on the suggestion that Paul was basically saying "hey, you know those pagans who do weird stuff, and ultimately become pretty vice-filled people? well take care to not become vice-filled yourself too!" But that could be how it turns out to be. That all those "weird things" are simply that, and not wrong. Does that capture the essence of the argument?
#1.1.1 Justin (Homepage) on 2005-02-14 15:51 (Reply)

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