Gay Teens Executed in Iran

For the flesh touching, it is as much as heterosexuality is as well. What I'm attempting the reason and emote through here are the basic building blocks for why a particular society, community, or social group would come to a particular conclusion. Now, obviously we are a people of history and culture. We have T/traditions in which we are born and grow into, but these living and growing historical handouts are quite complex in their interaction. They weave in and out of each other like a fine tapestry or as Foucault suggest like a fine spider's web. So when looked at as a whole I can completely see (and disagree) that a person could (wrongly) believe that somehow homosexuality is not part of God's plan. But I also see the connection between what humans see as God's Will and the will of the powerful in society. Now, the will of the powerful in a society is almost certainly manifested in the struggle to maintain their power. That is to keep the tapestry from unraveling or the spider web from collapsing. Even those stuck in the web of power structures desire to keep the web intacked because they don't know to where they will fall when the web does unravel. (Some would even say everyone is a victim of the web and there is no one person controlling the silken strings) So what I do when I point out the link between the fucker/fucked dichotomy and that of the distain for the life of queer individuals is to point out a single strand in the web that I believe supports quite a few other strands.

So, yes I can distinguish between those who uphold the power structures of our society not independently but weakly from the "power-hungry patriarchal structures"--for as you know no part of society is independent from any other part if they are both in the same society--but I also attempt to see how the tension from the one strand vibrates and moves the other strands.

I see the primary thread that runs through the oppressive structures in our society is that of pride. Our Christian Tradition says as much when we read in Genesis of the pride of ha'ish and ha'ishah (the man and the woman). From this pride I believe society (at least from the point of the agricultural revolt some 10000 years ago) developed an expression of that pride in the form of patriarchy. It was not destined to do so it just chose to and as such started to wipe out all of the other valid expressions of human organization. That's what patriarchy does and has been doing since the dawn of agriculture (agriculture as we know it). If it was not by force it was by over breeding--population control and war.

In other words, when I hear people equate homosexuality to a disorder, I hear the word "order" and think of all of the "orderings" of society and how those have been built up over the ages and how they are built to support the web of that society. As such I can see the distinction people would like to draw but the connections overwhelm.

Well... what do you mean when you say disorder?

Hrm... So how do you define "homosexual intercourse" and how do you define "homosexuality"?

I'm down with your definition of homosexuality but your definition of homosexual intercourse seems a bit... well more than a bit.. solely phallocentric. How exactly do two lesbians have anal intercourse? (that was rhetorical) A serious question, though, would be how do you define sex (the act)? What is "form of sex?" Are two men or women kissing having sex? What about if two people of the same gender kiss each other's neck or nibble on each other's ear? What about if two men rub each other's breasts? What if it were two women?

"strap-ons" huh... you know I added the whole "(that was rhetorical)" bit because I thought the same exact thing when I finished with the question.

Anyway...

I completely agree that this discussion has moved into something that is encompassing many different types of sexual interactions and not just homosexual nor heterosexual intercourse. As such, I'd like to know what you feel erotic love is. The way you have describe it the "act" seems more like an "intention." Also, where does "disorder" enter into the erotic loved shared by hetero- and homo-sexual folk alike?